
As Shimer said yesterday, the first leg of the Manchester United-Bayern Munich Champions League quarterfinal match was an instant classic.
What do you think changed?
What did you think of the deal they signed? Is it sustainable long term?
I kept hearing about the awful conditions the players were being put through over the years in terms of guaranteed deals, which was a real point of contention for them in the negotiation. What specifically were they talking about?
What were your thoughts on the Red Bull’s win over Santos hours after the CB was signed?
There were a couple of issues that impacted the final CBA agreement. First, both sides recognized that a strike could end the MLS. The growth of the league has been slow (slower than many predicted), but there has been growth. A strike would have damaged that growth. Second, the league gave in to some of the player’s demands. They held the line on free agency, but gave a little on other demands. They gave enough for the players to save face with the signed agreement
Of course after the fact we hear all kinds of rumors about threats from the owners (Dave Cheketts) to the players etc. The fact is the CBA is a good deal for all and soccer will be played. The MLS must use the World Cup to increase awareness and increase interest.
The Red Bull – Santos games was meaningless. It tells us nothing about either team. Santos did not field their best eleven and Brazilians hate cold weather!
2. What were your thoughts on the new Red Bull stadium? Did it live up to the hype?
Do these stadiums that only fit 25-30,000 fans hurt the U.S.’s likelihood of getting another World Cup sometime soon when countries around the world like England have world class soccer stadiums that seat 60-70-80,000 fans?
The Red Bull stadium is first class and a real soccer stadium. The seats are on the field, there are no obstructions and the fans are covered in the event of rain. It is tremendous.
In terms of a WC bid, stadiums like this will not hurt our chances. You cite big stadia in England as being a problem for the USA bid. Remember that there are only a few of those big stadia in England with the majority of stadia being smaller – like the Red Bull Stadium. Also remember that no other country in the world has as many large stadia as the USA – no one. I suspect the WC games will be played in large stadia.
Also remember that no one “puts on a show” like the US. Both the 1984 LA Olympics and the 1994 WC made a great deal of money for the respective governing bodies. In fact they rank as the highest income producers of any international events. That is what the US sells to Fifa! And after the upcoming fiasco in SA, Fifa will be looking to regain some prestige and money.
3. Quick question about the national team. I think Tim Howard must be under-rated because I see him as a top 5 goalie in the world. I think Brad Friedel is terrific as well, and would be a tremendous back-up. I’ve heard people say they’d like to see him come back to the USA national team and start over Howard, and I think to myself they must be living off what he did for the MNT in 2002. Howard was terrific at the Confed Cup last summer, and to me he’s arguably the U.S.’ best player.
Obviously Bob Bradley won’t replace Howard for Friedel at this juncture I’m almost sure of because of the chemistry factor he’s been trying to build, but who would you take?
Am I over-rating Howard?
I agree about Tim Howard. He is one of the best keepers in the world and getting better. Brad Friedel is good, but he is on the back nine of his career and he would not accept a back up role! His ego would not allow that.
4. Two quick questions about the Bundesliga. Can you talk briefly about what Hoffenheim have been able to accomplish such a relatively short time rising from like Division 7 all the way up the top level and then competing for a Bundesliga title?
And also you mentioned last week about how the Bundesliga has taken steps to essentially promote their league having meet-and-greets with the players. Why doesn’t the MLS take a page out of the Bundesliga book and something like that? It seems almost too obvious – are the MLS people that incompetent and inept promotionally?
Hoffenheim is a great example of the relegation/promotion type of league that (I think) would be great in the US – but will never happen. Can you imagine a small soccer club in Boston; playing in an amateur league suddenly finding financial backing; playing its way through all levels of semi-pro and professional leagues and seven years later ends up in the MLS and actually challenges for the championship? That is exactly what Hoffenheim did with the support of software magnate Dietmar Hopp. Hopp played at the club when he was young. He financed the club and the new stadium. Hoffenheim is more of a regional team than is Bayern or FC Cologne. It draws from the Heidelberg area and sells out every week. The club is a great story. But the story simply underscores the most important ingredient for a sports franchise – money!!
A few years a go the Bundesliga realized the attendance was declining. The young German fan was opting for other recreational outlets (just like our current generation in the US) and not going to games. There were problems in the stands with skinheads etc. The Bundesliga was in trouble. Things had to change. The league created a plan that included; making the game an event and using the players to sell the team and promote the league. Initially the players were hesitant,, but now it is part of their standard contract and they have obligations to promote the club and sport. The fans are back and the attendance is tremendous. It is difficult to get a ticket at most games today!!
You hit a nerve with me. I sent you an editorial I wrote about this some time ago. Use it or quote it if you like. In the early days of the MLS there was never a problem getting players to come to my camp, or come to meet the OWU team, in fact some of the guys trained with our team in the off season. The Crew played at OWU every year. We made it a “Meet the Crew” Day and had a few thousand fans at Rike watching the game. After the game there was an autograph session , pictures etc. Great promotion. Today, I can’t get a Crew player to walk across the street without payment. They are missing an opportunity. Every league (yes even the NFL and NBA) had growing pains and called upon the athletes to help sell themselves. When I was playing basketball in Boston in high school, our coach would call the Celtics and we would have one of them come to practice. We had Bob Cousy, both Joneses, Larry Siegfried, John Halicek etc.. And these guys were winning 11 championships in 13 years at the time! The MLS players want Kobe-esque money right now. The League has a long way to go. Bayern plays over 50 games a year throughout Bavaria to keep fans happy. The MLS should learn a lesson.
5. Lastly as I mentioned last week I want to start breaking down some of the major players before the World Cup. We talked a bit about Germany before, now I’d like to go over Brazil – not necessarily my favorite team, but one I think every soccer fan has to enjoy to watch, and if Germany doesn’t win I generally root for them.
To me Dunga has taken the flavor, the expression, the joga bonito “play beautifully” out of the team to an extent. Their latest friendly a couple of weeks back vs. Ireland was clinical, but not Brazilian. Granted he has to deal with more egos and more pressure than any other manager in the World knowing that not only must Brazil win the World Cup they must look good doing so too, but I couldn’t understand some of Dunga’s selections.
I can’t for the life of me understand why he keeps selecting Adriano. This is a guy, who has continuously battled alcohol problems and it has showed on the field. This is a guy that quit Inter Milan because “he lost the love of the game.” This is a guy that completely failed to show up at the last World Cup, and looked just as fat, and out of shape as Ronaldo without the ability to finish like Ronaldo (not to degrade Ronaldo too much because I think he’s the greatest forward ever, but if he wasn’t chasing the all-time goals record at the last WC I don’t think he would’ve had a sniff of the field. What’s your opinion on Adriano?
There are some peculiar moves Dunga has made that have puzzled me. For instance not just selecting Maicon over Danny Alves, but not finding a spot for Alves anywhere on the pitch. I understand that Maicon plays more defensively, i.e. gets back better – but Alves is the best right back in the world right now and is the best since Cafu was manning the right flank for over a decade. He draws a lot of attention away from Messi at Barcelona and I would think Dunga could find room for him if not at right back perhaps at right mid. What’s your take?
The knock on Brazil (whether right or wrong) has always been that they are not disciplined – especially in the defensive third. In soccer there is a thin line between discipline and creativity. Coaches must be careful not to trample on that line and Brazilian coaches have the most difficult job in this regard. The coach who made the biggest impact in changing the Brazilian “style” is Carlos Alberto Parreira in 1994. He organized the defense for Brazil and was criticized just as you are criticizing Dunga. In order to win today the Brazilians have to change a little. The other soccer powers are better than before and are very organized. The 1970 style Brazil play will not win today. In fact Arrigo Sacchi called the 1994 Brazilian team, “…the most organized in history”. That system was based on a flat back four, a positional passing game with the counter attack and changes of rhythm while in possession. They won the WC.
All good coaches have a philosophy. That philosophy is certainly influenced by the culture of the country and the history of soccer in that country. But no two coaches will have the same philosophy – even if they come from the same country!
A key element of a coach’s job is to evaluate and assess all the players available. He then selects the players he feels best will “interpret” his philosophy. You need good players and team players and you CAN NOT CHOOSE the same type of player!! That won’t work. Brazil has many players who are the same. That complicates the selection process.
In 1971 when I was living in Munich, I met German National team coach, the late Helmut Schön. He taught me a lesson I have never forgotten. He said there are different types of players:
· Personality player: the player everyone remembers he puts his stamp on the game. These players are very rare. If you have two of them, put them as far away from each other as possible on the field.
· Creative player: Very technical, maybe the playmaker – I call them “pink shirts”. They will play a game and have no dirt on the shirt. But they are indispensible. They move the ball around.
· Fighters: The dirtbags. Their shirts are dirty in warm ups. They do the dirty work. They must be paired with the creative players
Players can be a combination of the above (except personality players). Coaches must put players on the field so they play together and not play against each other. Two creatives next to each other are a problem etc.
My point? Be careful before you criticize selection. Dunga knows his philosophy and knows the players better than you and I. Your comments are in the context of YOUR philosophy of what you want for a team – not Dunga. The Brazilian coach is in the toughest position of all WC coaches…
"The owners described the possibility of relegation as "Armageddon" and the club are now facing that reality unless they act to stop the rot. They almost seemed to be having a board meeting when the third goal went in as Sullivan and Gold were chatting to those closest to them in the directors' box. They all seemed extremely agitated.
"Gold and Sullivan expected at least four points from Tuesday's game with Wolves and Saturday's clash against Stoke, but that is not going to happen."
As the lone voice of opposition to his club's buying practices, Andrey Arashavin has been spouting off the same rhetoric most Arsenal fans have called for the last few years - to buy more players to compete against the big boys of England and Europe for more trophies.
Yesterday he bemoaned his club for selling off both Kolo Toure and Emmanuel Adebayor in the summer and only replacing them with one player Thomas Vermaelen. Despite the fact that Arsenal are only two points adrift of Manchester United in the English Premier League and now in the Elite 8 of the Champions League, Arshavin believes Arsenal need three and perhaps four more players to realistically compete each season, according to another ESPNsoccernet story.
"I am still of the opinion that to win trophies Arsenal needs more players,'' Arshavin is quoted as saying in the Sun. "There is the simple fact that last summer we sold two players and bought only one. So there is an obvious deficit of at least one. Then we lost Van Persie, Gibbs and Ramsey for a long time. So for me it is natural we need new players.
"Without the variety of players we have less diversity in attack. That allows our opponents to read our combinations more easily. Finally, it results in less ball possession for us and our defence comes under more pressure.
"The Premier League is very interesting, at least as long as we continue fighting to win it. But without new experienced players, real stars, it will be difficult to achieve success. Ideally we need three or four such experienced players and then among our youths there should be guys who are not only good at playing football but have real character.''
And it takes a big man to admit he is wrong, but I may have been premature to elevate Wayne Rooney above Lionel Messi in the debate about the best players in the world. I remain firm in my belief that Ronaldo, Messi, and Rooney are the top three best by a wide margin and that if you were starting a club you would be supremely happy to have any one of the three, but Messi is showing in the month of March why he won the Ballon d'Or as best European Footballer and Fifa World Player of the Year last season.
Messi has had a rich run of form lately - actually that does not even begin to describe what he has done - the little man from Argentina had been Superman quite simply. Up until Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored a 90th minute penalty (set up by a run of Messi) Messi had scored all eight of Barcelona's league goals in the month of March - eight straight including two vs. Almeria, a hat trick vs. Valencia, and a natural hat trick in the first half vs. Zaragoza over the weekend. And that does not count the two he poured in vs. Stuggart last week in the Champions League as Barcelona breezed to a 4-0 pounding of the German side at the Nou Camp.
Messi has 34 goals on the season for Barcelona and 25 in La Liga. Here are the highlights of his brilliant work over the weekend, check out the second goal, special comes to mind.
1. You mentioned in one of our earlier Q & As that something like only 3 or 4 teams made money last year in the MLS. Why don’t the owners or their lawyers say we will open the books and show you the players the losses or why is someone not asking to see the books?
Would that be too much of a black mark on the league?
Only Seattle and Toronto made money last year. Getting owners to open the books has been an issue in every strike in professional sports. You can hear the NBA players now and NFL. The owners will never open the books. There are some tax rules and advantages that owners get (i.e. Stienbrenner used the Yankees losses against his ship building firm for years!!). Open books will not happen!!
2. One of the more interesting U.S. player-related stories right now is Landon Donovan’s situation with the L.A. Galaxy and his loan spell to Everton. He’s clearly finally made it in England after three previous unsuccessful spells in Germany.
The Galaxy want him back, no debate as long as there is no strike. Landon said Monday he wanted to stay until the end of the season in England, but that he would do what his domestic club the Galaxy wished.
The only way he continues his stint at Everton continues is if the MLS goes on strike and that would only be after he had returned across the pond all the way back across the U.S. to the West coast. To me that seems silly.
I think there comes a time when you outgrow something, and Donovan has outgrown the MLS, he needs to stay in England. To me the Galaxy don’t have the player’s best interests in mind, they are only looking out for themselves.
Do you think the Galaxy are being unreasonable or doing you think they are making the right stand?
If you were the MLS commissioner, what position would you take?
How much did David Beckham’s “I’m just going to AC Milan through March, oh then wait until the end of the season, oh wait I’ll be back in the summer for the second half the year” run-around hurt Donovan’s chances of staying in England?
It is more important now that Donovan stay with LA – Beckham is out and will never be the player he once was. So, LA needs Landon. He did well in England because he is athletic and fit and fast. The Bundesliga is a technical – tactical league; the EPL is fast paced and athletic. The atmosphere at Everton is much better than the atmosphere in LA. Donovan had it all going his way; good team; very good coach; doing well and loved the atmosphere!!!
He struggled in Germany because every training session in Germany is a war…or as Jürgen K said, “Nasty…” That environment beats you up if you are not used to it. That is why Podolski left Bayern Munich, he could not compete in training. Landon had similar problems. David Moyes is a very good coach and creates an environment that is competitive, challenging but not as much pressure. In LA there will be no pressure in training.
But LA and the MLS need him NOW.
3. There have been plenty of arguments in recent years as to which league is the best in the world. For my money the English Premier League is still the best slightly ahead of La Liga.
Which league would you take as your top billing?
If you were trying to develop a young player from the U.S. where would you say would be the best place to develop his talents?
Would you say playing in multiple leagues is a good thing like learning the defensive tactics of Serie A, going to England to play the fast pace offensive game they play?
Ah yes which league is better? Don’t be too quick to say the EPL is the best for money – THEY ARE LOSING MONEY!! But they are entertaining and now that there are international managers and more international players, the league plays a better brand of soccer – at least the top 4 or 5 teams do!
The Bundesliga has actually surpassed the EPL for average attendance in the past five years AND not one club is losing money! The Bundesliga has a smaller percent of international players and, as a result, appeal to the fans. The B’liga teams have initiated campaigns at each stadium for the fans to meet the players. It is working! You can’t get tickets to Bundesliga games. And there is some parity in the league. FCBM is still the best, but there have been four different champs in the last 6-7 years!! There is no “Big Four” like the EPL. So the Bundesliga is first, La Liga second, EPL, Serie A, Erdviese.
As far as developing a player? My choice would be Holland or Germany. Both countries actually teach players how to play (we can talk sometime about the coach v trainer problem). Both have a well thought out, tried and true method for the players to learn. The difference between the US players and the Dutch last week was enormous. Simply put, the Dutch and Germans can play the game. They combine high technique with tactics and fitness. I think both are a bit behind with the mental side of things. But to learn how to play??? Go to Holland or Germany.
As far as multiple leagues go, that was once the rule in European soccer. Many Dutch, German and English players traveled and played in different countries. Klinnsman says that is what made him a complete player. It is more difficult to do now, so you don’t see it as much.
4. You also mentioned in our discussion about the single-entity format and the debt problems the English Premier League are struggling with last week that all the other teams in Europe are competitive for the big trophies.
I would argue the opposite. The last three UCL seasons three EPL teams made it to the semifinals (2009 Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U) (2008 Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U) (2007 Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U). And since Porto won the UCL in 2004 there has been at least 1 Premier League team in the UCL final.
Granted the EPL teams don’t always do as well in the Europa tournament, but you look at a result like Thursday’s 3-1 Juventus win over Fulham in Turin. Granted it’s a 2-goale win, but Juventus is supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the top 2 or 3 clubs in Italy, and they can’t even beat the 10th place team in England by more than 2 goals at home – that says something to me.
What are your thoughts about the competitive balance and the EPL clubs arguing you have to spend to stay competitive?
I think since the Bosman ruling, competitive balance is better all over Europe. Don’t put too much stock in the Fulham v Juve game(s) the last two weeks. Juve is not a good example. As a team they are struggling and as a league Serie A is as uncompetitive as it has been in a long time – although Inter have a path to the UCL final.
The top 4 or 5 in the EPL do very well in Europe, but they are going broke! Liverpool and Man U have huge debt; Abramovich had to bail out Chelseas with over 50 million Euros. Only Arsenal is solvent and they can’t win anything!
But overall there is better balance.
5. I also noticed that you danced a little around the Terry question from last week about stating what you would actually do if that situation presented itself at OWU. You gave some good insights as to how personal matters do rear their ugly heads on the pitch and how the Dutch have tried to build their teams around better chemistry now – I think the Dutch are trying a new approach now because they’ve never won a World Cup despite their tremendous talent over the years and the personality clashes they’ve had in the locker room.
But I’ll give you a little easier question so you don’t have to throw OWU under the bus – what would you have done if you were Capello the England coach after this scandal broke?
Granted there are lots of factors to take into account. Terry is a Fifa best XI player in the world and maybe the top center back in the world. England were also a heavy favorite to lift the cup for just the second time, but now they appear to have some serious cracks in their defense.
Do you think he did the right thing in dropping him as captain, but keeping Terry on the roster?
Before I address the Terry issue, a word about the Dutch. The reason the Dutch haven’t won the WC and, in fact, won only one major trophy – Euro 88 is not soccer related, it is part of the fabric of the culture…and most Dutch will agree. Read the book Brilliant Orange it will explain the whole thing. It will be tough for them to ever win a big one. The culture prides itself on THE INDIVIDUAL not the team (like the Germans!!)
I stick by my words of last week. Terry is a problem for Chelsea - now he is whining about the officiating v Inter – nothing is ever his fault) and England. Terry’s indiscretions are about his ego. Capello did the right thing – yanking the arm band. That is a suitable slap to his ego.
When dealing with an important player on the team; what is the impact of dropping Terry to the other players? Why should Capello punish Rooney et. al. By dropping Terry and reducing the chance of English success? By dropping him as captain he was punished and the England team can move on.
But, I think he has done irreparable damage to the English team! They will not be the same.
"It has been a very difficult decision for me after more than two years, but it is time for me to look for a new challenge,'' said Verbeek. "I have enjoyed every minute of being head coach of Australia and we achieved some fantastic results including qualifying for the World Cup and the Asian Cup.
"It is a good time to make this announcement so we can now focus completely on preparing everything perfectly for the upcoming World Cup in South Africa. We will do everything right to prepare for this tournament to get the best result possible.''
Best of luck to Verbeek and his boys as they're in a tough group D with Germany, Serbia and Ghana. They start off with the Germans on June 13.